Maxim Meyer-Horn

15 Jan 2023
Music

Naaz: “I Broke My Heart, Nose and Nails While Making ‘Never Have I Ever’”

Dutch-Kurdish singer Naaz has finally been able to unload the project she has been working towards for years. Her debut album ‘Never Have I Ever’ saw the light of day at the beginning of January and feels like a soul liberation for the singer. We have been following her for a while and even interviewed her in 2019 when her ultimate breakthrough seemed incredibly close. In those four years, however, a lot changed, and she continued to search for herself. So, we spoke to her on the occasion of her brand-new album and were especially curious about how that project came about.

The last time we spoke to you, you played a show at the AB Club to introduce your EP, The Beautiful Struggle. How do you look back on that period?

It feels very long ago, like three people ago. Very young, cute. I had just dyed my hair for the first time then, red! You couldn’t see anything, but I felt so cool and confident with it. One of the first moments where I found out how much physical self-expression does to me.

Back then, just about every major music medium proclaimed you as a future superstar in the music world. Was it hard to deal with that pressure?

Yes, but mostly because I didn’t want to become a superstar. I just want to make and perform art, build a community around me, and be able to offer it to others. Not everyone wants to play arenas and millions of streams; that’s a choice that doesn’t suit me. I am happy to present myself as an artist now rather than a potential future superstar. I love daily life too much to fight for another life. It’s fine.

After that, you retired. What did you learn about yourself in those two years?

That things are allowed to coexist. That I can be a star rather than a supernova. That I can also be homely, bourgeois, wholesome, and at the same time, a walking statement. I want to be a woman who does what she wants, who dares everything but is also allowed to be afraid. That life is not black and white.

Were you afraid that people might lose interest in you after that break?

I had actually assumed so.

The result is your album Never Have I Ever, which is quite different musically from your earlier work. What was behind this change of direction?

Getting older! Going indie! Not having to deal with anyone during the making process. Really making music again like a teenager purely because you love it. I had no expectations, so I was free. The purest form of myself.

You also sing in Kurdish for the first time on the album. So are those two songs more personal?

Yes, I find it scary knowing that my family can understand it perfectly, whereas, with my English songs, I can sometimes argue that the lyrics don’t mean what they think. I also write quite provocative lyrics because I think it’s important to be able to kick open doors in those as well. I have no idea whether that will be appreciated. But that’s a bit how I live. The road less traveled by!

For you, what is the common thread between the songs?

I could theoretically say anything musically, but mainly, sincerity. The album is great because it is sincere. Music is subjective, but no one will be able to deny the above.

On the album, you celebrate your newfound freedom. What made your time in Berlin and Amsterdam so decisive?

I was able to tick off my ‘Never Have I Ever’s, something I thought I would never be able to do again. As a married woman, as the daughter of parents who insist on reputation, I thought, no one knows me anymore anyway! I can do whatever I want! So I did and gained so much more perspective about life. That gave me hope, so that’s what the album sounds like now.

You had this album all to yourself for a long time. Do you experience a sense of relief or anxiety at the thought of the release?

It doesn’t do much for me. I had zero expectations, so everything that happened felt like a luxury. Coming from far away, I can only be grateful.

What are your ambitions with this album?

Establishing myself as an artist. To touch people. Building a little world around me. Enjoyment, this time.

If you could give someone a life lesson based on the album’s message, what would that life lesson be?

You can always start again, sweetheart. Always. Leverage is in your hands, even if it doesn’t feel that way at all. Even from nothing, you can make something. That’s how every good story has started.

Is there anything you’ve never told anyone about your new music but might want to share with us?

I broke my heart, nose, and nails while making this album, literally!

Pictures by Zahra Reijs

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