Contrary to what the name of your EP suggests, Goodbye, Then! is a pleasant introduction. How was your general experience with creating this project?
You make a good point! Although I released an EP in 2019, Burnout, I think Goodbye, Then! is a clearer introduction to the sound that I want to make now. Having said that, I think developing my sound is a constant process, so I can’t make any promises that what I put out in the future will sound the same … The experience of making this project was a long one; it began in 2018 and went through a lot of iterations—and lockdowns. After a certain amount of time had passed, I decided I just wanted to make it absolutely perfect—visually, sonically, the release strategy: everything I could control—which probably added on another year after the songs were finished. It’s impossible to predict whether the music is going to propel you to anything greater than itself, so the most important thing for me is feeling really proud of what I’ve created and happy about it existing forever, whether I have ten fans or 10,000.
Before you returned to London, you lived in different big cities all over the world. Did that affect your perspective on music?
My perspective on music is shaped more by the people that I meet rather than the places I’ve been, but I do think geography is important, even if it only seeps in by osmosis. All of these songs were written in London, and I think you can feel that. One of my producers once said that our music sounded a bit like a night bus—though I’m pretty sure he told me not to quote him on that.



